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This came to me in a message. The scenario is complex, however, if true it would surely empty the swamp! In an effort to clarify and confirm the following information, I forwarded this to four members who I consider the backbone of this site as far as Constitutional and Political knowledge. I have included their opinions below... Please join the discussion.

IMPEACH TRUMP !!!! LETS GET THIS PROCESS STARTED...HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS THEN... 


By: Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD, (Political Science)


I have a degree in Political Science, and I am a card-carrying Libertarian. I've been studying politics and political history for the past 30 years. My specialty is U.S. Presidents. That said, I hope that the House of
Representatives impeach Trump. Let me tell you what will happen next!


1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the
Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.


2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.


3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel
investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazile, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch,
Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing cover-up activities.


A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger-pointing will occur. Deals will start being made, and suddenly, a lot of democrats will start being charged and going to prison.
All this, because, remember, the President's team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath – and they will turn on each other. That is already starting.


4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe
that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will
determine what testimony is allowed -- and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover-up and
destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.


They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros. After the Senate declines to convict the
President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and other important issues that are actually killing people. And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole impeachment was rigged.


So let's move on to impeachment.
Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD

Complete Senate Impeachment Rules

3_1986SenatesImpeachmentRules.pdf

The first in-depth response comes from editorial writer Hugh Akston

The Impeachment of the Democrat Party.

BackGround:

The House brings impeachment charges against federal officials as part of its oversight and investigatory responsibilities. Individual Members of the House can introduce impeachment resolutions like ordinary bills, or the House could initiate proceedings by passing a resolution authorizing an inquiry. The Committee on the Judiciary ordinarily has jurisdiction over impeachments, but special committees investigated charges before the Judiciary Committee was created in 1813. The committee then chooses whether to pursue articles of impeachment against the accused official and report them to the full House. If the articles are adopted (by simple majority vote), the House appoints Members by resolution to manage the ensuing Senate trial on its behalf. These managers act as prosecutors in the Senate and are usually members of the Judiciary Committee. The number of managers has varied across impeachment trials but has traditionally been an odd number. The partisan composition of managers has also varied depending on the nature of the impeachment, but the managers, by definition, always support the House’s impeachment action.

US. Constitution:

A1. S2. C5. The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

A1. S3. C6-7. The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

A2. S4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

History:

Not all criminal conduct is impeachable: in 1974, the Judiciary Committee rejected an article of impeachment against President Nixon alleging that he committed tax fraud, primarily because that “related to the President’s private conduct, not to an abuse of his authority as President.”

Several commentators have suggested that Congress alone may decide for itself what constitutes a "high Crime or Misdemeanor", especially since the Supreme Court decided in Nixon v. United States (DOCKET NO. 91-740 Walter Nixon, a Federal District Judge) that it did not have the authority to determine whether the Senate properly "tried" a defendant. In 1970, then-House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford defined the criterion as he saw it: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

The standard of proof required for impeachment and conviction is also left to the discretion of individual Representatives and Senators, respectively. Defendants have argued that impeachment trials are in the nature of criminal proceedings, with convictions carrying grave consequences for the accused, and that therefore proof beyond a reasonable doubt should be the applicable standard. House Managers have argued that a lower standard would be appropriate to better serve the purpose of defending the community against abuse of power, since the defendant does not risk forfeiture of life, liberty, or property, for which the reasonable doubt standard was set.

What it all Means In My Opinion:

1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.

Yes if they can get 218 votes on the floor of the house, there are 235 Democrats in the House today. The Speaker does not have that many votes to push impeachment and there has been no floor vote to proceed with an “Inquiry of Impeachment. That means that Congress has no support from the members to have an Impeachment investigation. Although the minority (Far Left) Democrats want a political show.

2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.

Yes But not Politicly. George Mason supported the idea of Impeachment of the People every 4 years at the polls. Which in a way is really correct, some presidents do not get reelected, therefor the are “removed from office by the People”. This was one of the reasons for no term limits on political offices.

3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazile, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing cover up activities.

4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will determine what testimony is allowed -- and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.

See Attached Senate Rules of Impeachment: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/3_1986Se...

Evidence by both sides and witnesses to be called are dependent on the rules set by The Senate; they are the sole arbitrators of what rules they must follow. In the case of the Impeachment of the President or Vice-President under current rules the Chief Justice presides. (under the Constitution the Vice-President as President of the Senate could preside

over his own impeachment trail.)

An Impeachment Trial is NOT a Criminal trial; standards of evidence, presumption of innocence and rules of conduct are set by the Senate. An Impeachment Trial IS A POLITICAL Affair.

So this may be true, depending on decisions by Mitch McConnell, Mike Pence, and Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr.

Keep in mind their decisions will define the optics that the American voters view the process with. Is it a republican cover-up or a fair action to provide full accountability of the Government?

It may be true that an impeachment is pending but I doubt it will happen, mostly it is political theater to impress the far left Democrats. There has been no vote on the floor to start an Inquiry for a reason. There is no evidence, it is all for low information voters to keep the specter of guilt over President Trumps head; very similar to the Impeachment of Andrew Jackson, it was over disagreements of policy to the reconstruction of the South. Those who read the Muller Report, know that There was nothing in the report, those who listen to the talking heads have a different view, same with this Phone call, read the transcript, look at the timeline of events and Joe Biden IS Guilty of what Donald Trump is accused of.

Speaker Pelosi does not want a Trial to happen just to keep the Witch Hunt going until election day.

God Bless.

Just my thoughts for today

I will post more opinions as I receive them...

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I'm thinking that the Dems in the House have boxed themselves in and the box has been sealed. They are desperate. They need to save their support of the hate DT base. I can not see anything wrong committed by our President in this last effort to take him down. On the other hand the Biden boys scandal is indeed a scandal. Since 2016 the dems from the WH down were in to protecting themselves from both criminal activity and their costly efforts to transform America. Power hungry critters they were and desperate.

Walking back the clown show these last months quite impossible -- it's all on video.

Impeachment from the House kitchen of Peelosi's may be possible to get the votes. I predict if that happens the House majority will go to R's in 2020.

Think about this whistleblower crap it is a mountain made out of a molehill. Absurd.

The Dems have taken their communist belt off and beat the we the people daily. They have tried everything they could think of to take oxygen out of the air. It is the worst example of political antics  I have witnessed.

I do not think the Dems will succeed.

This would be the best case cenario.  There is one little hitch that I am concerned about and that is those RINOs? Many we know about, but what about those who have not openly displayed their true colors thus far?  When push comes to shove they may just abandon Trump and fall in line with those others.  They are Conservative only as long as they think it serves them but not when they have to stand up and be counted. There may be no backbones at all.

Norma, Let the RINO's out themselves Romney has already went to the darkside. Those who would make that mistake in AZ and running to be re-elected again good luck -- Trump has mighty support from R's in AZ even those voters I would label as RINO's many R voters would I believe would NOT hold their nose and cast a vote just because there is an R by their name.

The spineless R's you know who some of them are -- they use our Trump populist movement but do not help the President they do that at their own risk and will eventually pay the piper.

I worked with 2 other women yesterday to register voters, seek signer to protect the 2nd amendment at a job fair nearby. I looked like a Trump 2020 billboard. Since it was a job fair there were lots of younger folks. Interesting that there were quite a number who said they had just moved here from CA -- I ask them why and all told me the number 1 issue was the politics. They were Trump supporters and now Republicans. Shame on any Republican who discards the chance to "right" the ship.

Pat,

I believe this is all a farce and another way the dems are trying to bring Trump down with another lie.  It bothers me that the "whisler blower" wants to remain "clothed" while making such accusations.  A true patriot would stand up and be counted. Not hide so as to keep his current job.  How is he or she to be believed?  But then that's the way these cowards conduct business.   Isn't it? 

I'm also very concerned about the "closet" RINOS.  We only have to remember Grassley who was a Trump supporter supposedly and did nothing to the FBI or Clinton liars working in the FBI and other agencies.  Then I look at Mike Lee.  He was a conservative, or so we all thought by earlier actions, but not so today.  He, as I read anything about him, seems to be going towards helping the illegals the democrat's way.  I would be happy for someone to prove me wrong.

I, along with many others, have thought truth and justice would win out many times.  Not so far.........  If things would go according to the constitution, such as stated above, we could rest on our laurels.   How many times have we watched and waited and nothing has gone according to the constitution? 

Oh geesh, I've turned into a full-blown skeptic that anything will be done the right way.

Yep Norma there are plenty of RINO's roaming the halls of Congress. 

That is why it is so important that we work to get a new conservative movement in full throttle.

Patricia, yup it's those dirty low down RINO's... this is a dog and pony show to continue to try to discredit our Beloved President! TRUMP 2020!

Folks, In my reply above I mentioned Grassely.  Wrong.........it was Sessions, former Attorney General.

Norma, you are not alone! I am so skeptical of everything political!!! I do not trust them.  Just look at all of the 100% corrupt, against the law, under the table, dirty deals done through the clinton and obummer years and still, no one is in jail?

TRUMP 2020!

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