Nazi Germany or Vietnam. Take Your Pick

As the rumors flew this morning of the resignation of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, one thing is clear in my mind and I'm curious if you feel this way as well. 

Why is Chuck Hagel being canned after having been Defense chief for less than two years?  Whether he ever 'fit in' to Washington politics or his competence aside, part of the answer is (I think) the White House is shifting from seeing events in Iraq and Syria through a different lense.

For the last fifty years, American foreign policy has swung between two polar-opposite views:

  • Through the Vietnam lens:  We don’t want to be dragged into foreign civil wars that can end up costing tens of thousands of American lives again.
  • Through the Nazi Germany lens:  We must stop the growing barbarous and aggressive fascist movements before they overwhelm our allies.

It would seem President Obama himself originally viewed the conflicts in the Middle East with Vietnam lenses but now he and his advisers view the Islamic State (ISIS) as more like Nazi Germany............which is spreading........and Hagel is still seeing them as Vietnam.

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Comment by Patricia Gillenwater on November 25, 2014 at 7:57pm

Kos, Lot's of profit to be made in waging war. I actually do not view Israel and what ever money they have "in high places" as a major driver. Of course other issues around Israel is used by players in the region as excuses.

Israel has found oil and especially a wealth of natural gas just off their shores. Now this does add another dimension into the equation. 

It will be interesting how the glut of oil and gas plays out in the next 5 years as the big guys decide who gets to sell.

Comment by LANYON on November 25, 2014 at 6:39pm

Hagel was booted due to concerns by Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes who didn't agree with him nor with Denis McDonough (Chief of Staff).

Obama sees reality through his lens of history, as he learned it from his Communist friends and relatives:

For a glimpse on the industrial complex and the elitist, globalist leadership:

Comment by Kos on November 25, 2014 at 5:58pm

Hugh great to see you!  Yes, sadly another two years of Oman to come.

Comment by Kos on November 25, 2014 at 5:58pm

Patricia I cannot see them letting them fight it out on their own any longer.  Israel has too much money in high places and crude oil plus mining for minerals is too tempting to the U.S.  9/11 gave war mongers to go ahead and spend unchecked.  Contractors have been raking it in for years.  It's not just this administration either (imo)

Comment by Patricia Gillenwater on November 24, 2014 at 7:02pm

Kos, Since we are jerked around at the national level with spin, spin lying these days that is taking away our attention from the happenings going on within our states. This is not good on so many levels because that noise from the national furthers the national goal of being the all powerful, the last word.

The recent 2014 elections were controlled at the national level all the way through to a states governor race to the states legislators.

Oh it is true the Tea Party squeezed through a few but for the most part it was hand picked candidates by the national GOP.

The truth is we don't even know if Cruz is playing a roll the power structure within the GOP Congress has arranged.

Comment by Patricia Gillenwater on November 24, 2014 at 6:11pm

I listened to two panel discussions last evening both on the Arabs and conditions in that region and on the nuclear deal with Iran.

One thing a panelist asserted on the Iran thing was that since the tough sanctions were imposed on Iran American business' have lost 175 billion dollars and Europe possibly 3 times the loss of the U.S. Here is the main reason for the talks. Another reason is that the U.S. saying its their boots on the ground that is needed, not ours, the U.S./O does not believe the issues are solvable without Iran. Iran was viewed key to getting Meliki to step down. Iran is viewed as key to Syria. Iran is viewed as a key to putting a final nail in the coffin of Putin, Iran could help drive the cost of a barrel of oil to between 50-60 dollars.

The [O admin] view Iran as key to helping the U.S. clear up its relationship with Turkey.

I am to the point that IS was also a planned threat backed not only by the bad players of Islam but possibly by a bad player, the U.S. government.

A Rand Corporation panel discussed the high numbers of Muslim's in Europe going to fight in Syria and IS in Iraq. They were alarmed at the monies flowing from Muslim's in Europe to IS and on the flips side the rise of European groups of the nature of the Nazi's.

These different panels reminded me of a time where it was quite common for a U.S. plane hijacking to occur -- ship taken over by hijackers -- old man in wheelchair thrown overboard and on and on -- it seemed a week failed to go by without drama of this sort.

The efforts to democratize the Arabs is not baring fruit. Heck lets save a ton of dollars and let that region fight it out on their own.

Let Europe put up a fight.

Comment by Hugh Akston on November 24, 2014 at 2:07pm

I believe that our omniscient Dictator in Chief (DIC) is looking for a scapegoat and Hagel was original picked to be the fall guy when needed.

Isolationism (Your Vietnam Lens) goes back to our first presidents, keep ourselves out of Europe's wars, and the Let our power be known (Nazi Germany lens) to Tom Jefferson's Navel world tour and the Barbary Coast.

The DIC thinks he can do no wrong so it must be those who disagree with him must be at fault. DIC Obama views the world through HIS political lens, history like thinking is not his strong-point. 

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