Our Relationship To Others: Those Against Us

Foundations of the Faith:

“If God is for us, who can be against us” (Romans 8:31 NKJV )

If we can take this Scripture to heart, we then have no other person “against us!” It behooves us to then consider the source, the source of lies, murders, or hate and evil.
Jesus put it straight to the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees in John eight He put it this way:
44 “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
If we feel persecuted by someone, they, like in Jesus day, they “carry out” their “father’s desires.”
This should change the way we respond to the attacks from others.
rcl
du Padre

Those against us:

Remember the story of Olga at the beginning of this lesson? Did Olga love those who wronged her? Instead of asking prayer that the injured man be healed, Olga could have asked that God punish them for their wicked ways.

Would that have been a Christ-like attitude? No.
What did Jesus do the night He was arrested and Peter cut off the ear of the high priest's slave? That slave was an enemy of Jesus, but Luke tells us, "But Jesus said, 'Enough of this!' He touched the man's ear and healed him" (Luke 22:51).

We want to be like Jesus who loved His enemies and forgave them. In Matthew 5:44 He said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." And again in Matthew 6:15, "If you do not forgive others, then your Father in heaven will not forgive the wrongs you have done."

Love is the greatest Christian virtue. First Corinthians 13:13 tells us, "Meanwhile these three remain: faith, hope, and love; and the greatest of these is love."

Christians should love God first. He will in turn put His love in our hearts so we can love both friends and enemies. "Jesus answered, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind'" (Matthew 22:37).

"And now I give you a new commandment: love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another" (John 13:34). Memorize this verse and repeat it often, remembering that a believer's most important responsibility to God and to His fellowman is love.


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Comment by R.C. "Bob" Lewis on April 25, 2016 at 7:42pm

Hi again Pat,
Your response is the most common response I hear from individuals the have been wronged, weather religious or not.

Robert, If someone cut my ear off I can tell you that individual would not receive my forgiveness. That person could take it to the bank that there would be retribution of some kind from me. The person could be assured there would be no 'love' forthcoming from me.
Like you, I am sure there was no love for Simon “Peter” from Malchus the servant of the high priest. (John 18:10) even though Jesus is recorded to have touched Malchus’s ear and healed it. {Like in John 18 where the servant is named only in Luke 22:51} Is where the healing of the servant’s ear mentioned.
Even this act of kindness didn’t deter the purpose of the scribes and priests to arrest this heretic of the laity.

Now with that out of the way I would like to ask you a question. Many members of 912, most religious, I am not, agree that Obama's choice through his messaging is basically if we reach out and hug an Islamist, forgive them for the beheadings and other heinous crimes around the globe, they will become good people and so do we. That is ,kinda sorry to be so blunt, but bullcrap.
So the question is: are my fellow members going to be judged by God and go to hell because they do not love the enemy?
Contrary to the beliefs of some Christians; But NO!
Unrepentant sin is the only thing judged by God ! Sin is defined in the Bible.
Vengeance could put one in greater danger.
Lots of references in both Testaments about revenge.

I think that folks may not take into consideration the things in play during the periods of writing the books. There is to me no reason to think that geopolitical issues, ideology, power seeking and even a low as creating compliant society to leaders be they to a gov't or compliance for the creation of a new religion. It is said that the book of John did not spend a lot of words on historical happenings. John was written by a scribe. John was most likely alive but an old man whose memory of events could be hazy -- perhaps as with all tales embellished? Good story –
Could be.
You are correct John was the last living witness of those called by Jesus, and was close to being blind. Probably dictated his account of what He saw and experianced in three years at Jesus’s side.
Now to events being hazy, I can’t speak to John’s recollections.

But for myself some memory experiences though a long time ago remain rather vivid to this day. One day exactly two months after our marriage on 4 Sept. 1966 and only 40 days after my 19th birthday, I can recall to this day about 19 minutes that seemed to last for hours. (I may forget what I go to the refrigerator for. Forget my little sisters birthdays, on occasion.) Yet, 50 years, come this Nov. I recall that day and several others very vividly.
It may be that John and the other apostles recalled the “blind seeing,” “lame walking,” “lepers healed.” “Lazereth raised,” “the empty tomb,” not to mention “water into wine.” As significantly memorable events.


As with what is taking place in society today motivations of the happenings is important.
I hope you are not disturbed by my posting.

     No, not at all.


A person who takes comfort in the writings of the big book and if it helps in dealing with the trials presented in life go for it.

Back at ya!

rcl

Comment by R.C. "Bob" Lewis on April 21, 2016 at 7:20am

Hello Pat, (may I say "Pat"?)

     Not disturbed at all.

More importantly a fair question.

May I take some time then post my thoughts.

Yours in Faith,

       Bob L.

Comment by Patricia Gillenwater on April 15, 2016 at 4:45pm

Robert, If someone cut my ear off I can tell you that individual would not receive my forgiveness. That person could take it to the bank that there would be retribution of some kind from me. The person could be assured there would be no 'love' forthcoming from me.

Now with that out of the way I would like to ask you a question. Many members of 912, most religious, I am not, agree that Obama's choice through his messaging is basically if we reach out and hug an Islamist, forgive them for the beheadings and other heinous crimes around the globe, they will become good people and so do we. That is ,kinda sorry to be so blunt, but bullcrap. So the question is: are my fellow members going to be judged by God and go to hell because they do not love the enemy?

I think that folks may not take into consideration the things in play during the periods of writing the books. There is to me no reason to think that geopolitical issues, ideology, power seeking and even a low as creating compliant society to leaders be they to a gov't or compliance for the creation of a new religion. It is said that the book of John did not spend a lot of words on historical happenings. John was written by a scribe. John was most likely alive but an old man whose memory of events could be hazy -- perhaps as with all tales embellished? Good story -- 

As with what is taking place in society today motivations of the happenings is important.

I hope you are not disturbed by my posting. 

A person who takes comfort in the writings of the big book and if it helps in dealing with the trials presented in life go for it. 

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